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MBOX-Line: From mrc+imap at panda.com Mon Oct 31 15:28:35 2011
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To: imap-protocol@u.washington.edu
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From: Mark Crispin <mrc+imap@panda.com>
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Date: Fri Jun 8 12:34:46 2018
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Subject: [Imap-protocol] BODY.PEEK[section]<origin.size> FETCH response
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In-Reply-To: <CABa8R6ugaAADsrvaS1Nnau5bi7k9728b+x00NcG1Nbxfk9xwsA@mail.gmail.com>
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References: <8F0DA5FA-FB07-4AFA-9C58-8F0927998343@ghoti.org>
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<alpine.OSX.2.00.1110301823210.9034@hsinghsing.panda.com>
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<CABa8R6uyrHJ6AqQoGfMcLztG-zovaVK4FEFep8ibpYc2-6b7ig@mail.gmail.com>
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<alpine.OSX.2.00.1110311352000.9034@hsinghsing.panda.com>
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<CABa8R6ugaAADsrvaS1Nnau5bi7k9728b+x00NcG1Nbxfk9xwsA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.00.1110311455120.9034@hsinghsing.panda.com>
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Brandon Long wrote:
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> I have no idea who you talked to, but my team owns the Gmail IMAP server.
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In that case, at the very least, there is a lack of a consistent and
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coherant policy regarding standard compliance.
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> Almost all of our IMAP users mostly use the web interface, so yes,
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> they want the IMAP experience to mimic the Gmail interface. There are
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> settings that can be set to make the experience more "IMAP normal"
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> than "Gmail normal", but the defaults favor the more common use case.
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Do you actually have research and firm numbers to back up the contention
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that customers want their IMAP clients to behave incorrectly, including
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malfunctioning, so that some IMAP clients seem to mimic Gmail?
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Or is this just a matter of religion that has never been challenged, much
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less bolstered with research?
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> I know its not compliant, we even have a support page where we list
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> the cases where we explicitly decided against compliance.
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> Interoperability is a goal, however. That doesn't mean we want to
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> force Gmail users to use the IMAP mailbox model, however.
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So, instead, you force Gmail users to use a non-compliant model that
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violates guarantees in IMAP and causes some IMAP clients to malfunction.
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> And I argue that we made the design decisions we did with good
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> reasons. I also argue that there were no perfect decisions to be
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> made, and usability was a more important goal than correctness.
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Thank you for confirming, in public, that the Gmail IMAP server is
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non-compliant and that Google has no intention to make it compliant.
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-- Mark --
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http://panda.com/mrc
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
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Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
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