MBOX-Line: From tss at iki.fi  Wed May 30 17:21:22 2007
To: imap-protocol@u.washington.edu
From: Timo Sirainen <tss@iki.fi>
Date: Fri Jun  8 12:34:39 2018
Subject: [Imap-protocol] Vista Mail doesn't handle \NoSelect mailboxes?
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On 31.5.2007, at 2.45, Mark Crispin wrote:

> On Thu, 31 May 2007, Timo Sirainen wrote:
>> I guess your view of how subscriptions should work differs  
>> significantly
>> from how other people use them. I like that my subscription list is
>> almost exactly like the full mailbox list. I've just removed a  
>> couple of
>> mailboxes that I rarely want to look at.
>
> How is it useful to have a subscription list that is little (or not  
> at all) different than the full mailbox list?

I want to see a list of my mailboxes. Unfortunately my screen space  
is limited and can't display all of them, but having some of the  
rarely used archived mailboxes removed from the list helps at least a  
bit.

> Does your server export newsgroups?  Do you think it is useful that  
> everybody's subscription list include all newsgroups by default?   
> If no, how do you reconcile that with your statement?

No, of course not. But it's a very small percentage of people who use  
IMAP that way. I don't know anyone who reads news via IMAP. So I  
don't think it's unreasonable that mail clients' user interface would  
be designed to work more along the lines of "user has only relatively  
small number of mailboxes" instead of "user has thousands of  
mailboxes". This of course doesn't mean that clients should behave  
horribly with a large mailbox list, but it does mean that I think  
"show only subscribed mailboxes" option is a good enough user  
interface design for most users. And in such UI design CREATE 
+SUBSCRIBE combination is just fine (but not automatically  
subscribing to all mailboxes of course, that's pointless).

>>> I am starting to think that the solution is to remove  
>>> subscriptions from IMAP entirely, and replace it with a mechanism  
>>> to stores a list of IMAP URLs.
>> What would be their purpose then?
>
> The original purpose of subscriptions:
>
> Identifying those mailboxes which receive incoming messages.

Why does there have to be such a list? I want to see a list of  
mailboxes I've subscribed to, regardless of whether they receive  
incoming messages.


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