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From: Brandon Long <blong@google.com>
Date: Fri Jun  8 12:34:50 2018
Subject: [Imap-protocol] Is there some way to detect servers which
	automatically add sent messages to the Sent mailbox?
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> wrote:

>
> On 14 Jan 2013 07:56, "Timo Sirainen" <tss@iki.fi> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2013-01-14 at 12:39 +0000, Dave Cridland wrote:
> > >
> > > The setup of BURL from an MUA's perspective is awkward, though,
> > > because the BURL capable submission server provides no hints as to
> > > which IMAP server is to be used, and vice-versa, making discovery a
> > > bit hit and miss.
> >
> > User (or automation) already has to configure IMAP and submission server
> > to MUA, so how does BURL make it any more difficult?
>
> I was dealing with user-directed configuration rather than discovery;
> maybe it's changed now. I'm merely relaying the experiences I've had.
>
> > 1. client APPENDs/CATENATEs message to IMAP server
> > 2. client requests URLAUTH URL
> > 3. client connects to submission server
> > 4. client sends message with BURL
>
> Yeah, and that's close to what Polymer does, although it takes into
> account POSTADDRESS and whether the message would be shorter via BURL, and
> connects to the submission server first so it can proceed in the
> background, and so on.
>
> The problem is that there's no way of knowing whether a particular URL
> will be acceptable to BURL or not without simply trying it, and that makes
> me feel all goose-bumpy inside.
>
> And in vague response to lack of BURL support in servers - yeah. This is
> irritating, and very chickeny (and/or eggy) but sitting here and moaning
> about it won't change much.
>
> My gut feeling is that if Brandon and Bron implemented BURL, you'd see
> clients falling over themselves to implement.
>

I realize its just my young naivete, but the complexity of BURL/URLAUTH
instead of what seems to me the much simpler concept of mail submission via
IMAP just boggles my mind. (if someone has a link to a thread or page that
opines on why, I'd be happy to try to understand, but last year's thread
seemed to come down to "we might not future-proof it against a new
must-have SMTP extension and we would never re-visit the IMAP extension to
also support that")

We don't currently have plans to support BURL.  There'd have to be a pretty
compelling reason, and given that we auto-BCC all msa messages anyways, it
already solves the two copy problem... admittedly, only for clients which
know to configure that way or users that manually configure based on our
support articles.  Also, the user's shouldn't get two copies if our
duplicate detection is working, so it only makes sending slower in that
case.

Frankly, we'd be more likely to support the submission via IMAP draft that
was circulated last year.

Brandon
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